The problem with asking for advice online, I want to comment on Tristan Swartz video but resist

I have started following Tristan Swartz of Doing it Wrong Dairy. (So is every other farmer in the world) My brother even bought me one of Tristan's goofy hats.

So when he posted a video asking for information on his White hydraulics I actually watched the whole thing and read the comments. Lots of comments from people who absolutely no experience with hydraulics or even know that his DeutzAllis has a transmission and hydraulic system built by White Farm Equipment.

I had been trying to look up his video about why he doesn't use RoundUp ready seed because it kind of missed the point of why you shouldn't use it and there were so many superstitious idiots posting I wanted to show it to my friends and laugh. I kind of wanted to argue but I need to resist commenting.

But, I digress... 

There was a time when you could get good advice from people online. There was NewAgTalk, Yesterday's Tractors, and you could find pages from manuals or at least figure out what manual you needed. 

Not so much nowadays. (I enjoy using the word "nowadays")

His comment section was filled with bad advice...

Here are some basic rules... 

If you are having hydraulic problems with your White tractor, first find the I&T service manual for your tractor. White Farm Equipment put out a really good manual with trouble shooting advice. I have currently lost mine as I have issues with never putting anything back where it belongs. But I try to be the change I aspire to be.

Is the system not building pressure? Do you not have brakes or steering? Does the PTO not engage? Is it making noise?

Check the oil...

If you are not building pressure you have either sheared the splines on the PTO hub on the flywheel, your charge pump is out, the coupler to the hydraulic pump is out, you forgot to start the tractor, the little valve in the filter head that bypasses when you are starting the tractor is stuck in bypass.

Hit the filter head with a crescent wrench and see if hydraulics start.

Pull the switch on the filter head and install a gauge. If you don't have 35 or so lbs the Charge Pump is not working. (This also could be from the PTO hub splines being bad)

Do you hear cavitation noises? Is the pump loud? Is there bubbles in the hydraulic oil?

This is often a problem with the steel lines cracking which feed the charge pump. But it can be a cracked pickup tube from the sump. A completely plugged sump filter. The main pump is shot. The charge pump failed. The pressure relief in the filter head is stuck.

Do not ever mess with the compensator on the main pump. It is the little screw adjustment on the side of the pump. It might get you a couple months until you can find a new pump but it is never the problem. 

Make sure it is not a problem with the hydraulic valves. It won't be, but you should check first. Switch hoses around and switch between valves. You could put a gauge on one hose and see if you have 2200lbs of pressure. You could hook two hoses in with a t and a valve in the middle, run the valve and turn the valve down and watch the pressure.  

Change the filters. It won't help but if you ask anyone for advice it is the first thing they will suggest. Finding metal filings in the filter is not that unusual. Finding a teaspoon full is a problem.

There are two filters, the main one under the step and a sump in the bottom of the transmission. It is behind a large plug on the left hand bottom side of the tractor. This requires draining the transmission. This has a fine screen that can plug but probably is not the problem.

Do not add or remove shims from the pressure relief. That is not the problem.

Go to the JenSales website and find the WFE hydraulic service manual set or call Welters, or Maibach Tractor.

You could get the manual first but changing the oil is the first thing anyone will tell you to do. Narrowing down the issue with pressure at the filter head will also help with trouble shooting. 

The more information you can find on your own the easier it is to get advice.

After watching the Tristan video I would guess the top three probabilities are, the bottom sump is plugged because the previous owner NEVER changed the oil, cracked line feeding the charge pump, bad main hydraulic pump.

Long shots, stuck valve in the filter head, PTO hub on flywheel has bad splines and skips under load (but that would affect PTO operation), cracked sump tube for hydraulic pickup, hydraulic valve problems, bad charge pump.

Although, did not say when he runs the PTO the PTO clutch pops out. The PTO will pop off with low hydraulic pressure or cavitation. He seems to have a flow problem which makes me think remote valves or remote pressure relief on the valve body but it is probably time for a new pump.

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Now I must go to work as my neighbor called me to pick up filbert shells for my next ill advised project... 

 

I have had more hydraulic problems with this 2-135 then I care to remember. Actually, I kind of hate this tractor...

This is the first real tractor I bought. I abused it. Pulled it to death (several times) on the silage chopper. Baled with it, cut hay, no-tilled, great raking tractor, fairly quiet and the A/C sometimes works! Leaks a little hydraulic oil but that is how I find my way home when I get lost. Follow the trail...

Here is a link to Replacing the Hydraulic Pump on the White 2-155

Fixing a hydraulic valve

Somewhere I talk about trouble shooting a charge pump. Sometimes I fail to give usable info. You could try looking at nearby posts...